{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"32682436","dateCreated":"1294985144","smartDate":"Jan 13, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"david.brooker","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/david.brooker","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294758835\/david.brooker-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/wok-language.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/32682436"},"dateDigested":1532254351,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Ah, sweet poetry.","description":"Metaphors are a part of all languages. 'Point to the past', 'Time flies', 'Que gato', 'I'm burning up'. How do metaphors affect what we know?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"33245712","body":"Agree with Jonathan too. Great euphemisms too.","dateCreated":"1296100575","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"mwmw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mwmw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33309498","body":"Metaphors are not only part of your language, they are part of you identity. where you come from and where have you been.
\nits beautiful.","dateCreated":"1296194620","smartDate":"Jan 27, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"MaluVillalobos","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MaluVillalobos","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33350188","body":"@jaigurudev
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\ncomplicated. As i was reading a book I found this story about some twins that invented their own isolated language. which makes me think that language appart from being a limitiation to us it could also be used just as a tool. so you could teach your child how to speak in the same way the system has taught us how to paint. its a wonderful way to express feeling but we for the most part do not depend on it. its just a tool. ofcourse that is if you were not to establish a deeper connection between you to and therefore need these types of communication. (at this point im adressing the qualities of language and painting for communication only and not as a whole). sorry for the lack of coherence","dateCreated":"1296246480","smartDate":"Jan 28, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"CheshireArael","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CheshireArael","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33358094","body":"no lack of coherence at all. hmm sounds interesting mateo, and yes a deeper connection would have to be achieved but i do not believe that it should nessasarily be the reason to alienate language out. for that it doesnt matter how well i may connect with her, rather what makes her feel right. oh hmm. that makes sense, if she wants to express herself within language, she would create one no? it should be her decision. huh :) smart thinking my man.","dateCreated":"1296260114","smartDate":"Jan 28, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jaigurudev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jaigurudev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296002087\/jaigurudev-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33381602","body":"And why is it that humans use metaphors at all? How does the use of metaphors limit and\/or expand our sharing of knowledge?","dateCreated":"1296355704","smartDate":"Jan 29, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"david.brooker","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/david.brooker","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294758835\/david.brooker-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33392078","body":"i believe that what makes people, human is our way of expression, which is what seperates each species from eachother, their way of expression, and we use metaphors exactly for that, whatever tool is given to us, in this case language, we shall find a way in this case metaphors to help us with expression. the way it expans our sharing of knowledge is through giving a more detailed perception on a manner, metaphors have more to them then a regular frase because they widen the idea that is being expressed in a poetic manner, a less formal, more human, manner.","dateCreated":"1296413730","smartDate":"Jan 30, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jaigurudev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jaigurudev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296002087\/jaigurudev-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33401988","body":"I agree with cora, if you translated it you lose the meaning. Also they are a sign of laziness to use full ideas or complete sentences. In my opinion humans use metaphors to be short in their descriptions and keep going with their lives.","dateCreated":"1296434334","smartDate":"Jan 30, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nachoo1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nachoo1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33422700","body":"completely disagree with nacho.
\nit is more likely that one is able to express more through poetry(methaphor) than 1000 words of prose.","dateCreated":"1296487467","smartDate":"Jan 31, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"CheshireArael","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/CheshireArael","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33444624","body":"I wouldnt say that I agree with Nacho, they do get lost in translation but they are not a sign of human laziness. They are simply another form of expressing ones opinion.","dateCreated":"1296504587","smartDate":"Jan 31, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"coralilyy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/coralilyy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1295986351\/coralilyy-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33546154","body":"I agree with mateo, metaphors express all the extra sentiment inside you, not only that but they hel express things that if were to be said directly would be too rough for our current society. In literature symbols are metaphors that embrace and encover an idea that cant be said freely.
\n
\n@nacho, how can thinking of a word or sentence with 10 different meanings and hundreds of explanations and atributions ever be a sign of lazyness?","dateCreated":"1296666050","smartDate":"Feb 2, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"catalina.baez","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/catalina.baez","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33546196","body":"laziness* :)","dateCreated":"1296666103","smartDate":"Feb 2, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"catalina.baez","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/catalina.baez","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33685478","body":"I also disagree with Nacho. Sometimes, a thought or a feeling can't be pinned down in a complete sentence. (Plus who said metaphors don't come in complete sentences?)It's like its so big you need a bigger concept so that others can grasp it. And not only they have to understand, but they have to connect, feel it, taste it. And, I think metaphors are fuller ideas than essay-like phrases.","dateCreated":"1296851920","smartDate":"Feb 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"mwmw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mwmw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":9}]},{"id":"32682378","dateCreated":"1294984798","smartDate":"Jan 13, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"david.brooker","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/david.brooker","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294758835\/david.brooker-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/wok-language.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/32682378"},"dateDigested":1532254352,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Where'd the chicken go?","description":"Try your hands at defining 'chicken'.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"33164524","body":"Chicked is bird that is often considered a common poultry dish. Chickens lay eggs. A chicken could also be a human scaredy-cat.","dateCreated":"1295990810","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"coralilyy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/coralilyy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1295986351\/coralilyy-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33171252","body":"Chicken game:
\n"The game of Chicken, also known as the Hawk-Dove or Snowdrift game, is an influential model of conflict for two players in game theory. The principle of the game is that while each player prefers not to yield to the other, the worst possible outcome occurs when both players do not yield." wikipedia
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\ninteresting, never heard of it before<\/em>","dateCreated":"1295997883","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"brendaruizm","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/brendaruizm","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33173000","body":"a chicken is a word made out of 7 letters in the english language.
\nit is a commonly used code for a type of bird that is usually eaten in most cultures.
\nit starts off as a cute little "chick" and grows up to be a cute little chicken that is killed usually without the nessecity of its death.
\nit is a hawk.
\nit is nothing
\nand it is everything
\nit is also a very nice mindf*** with the whole what came first the chciken or the egg?
\nthe tadpole came first.
\ncoarse.
\n:)
\na chicken is the evolution of a tadpole.
\nthats what a chicken is.
\nor is it a big toy in a happy meal?
\ndo you have a chicken?
\nive got a chicken?
\nlets trade chickens?","dateCreated":"1295999662","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jaigurudev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jaigurudev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296002087\/jaigurudev-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33233034","body":"gallus gallus domesticus, the source of income of Kentucky Fried Chicken.","dateCreated":"1296086606","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"emilyperle","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/emilyperle","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33245480","body":"A coward.","dateCreated":"1296100166","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"mwmw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mwmw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33295930","body":"who is mwmw?
\njust wondering....","dateCreated":"1296173882","smartDate":"Jan 27, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"coralilyy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/coralilyy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1295986351\/coralilyy-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33358124","body":"mwmw is mila. and @ emily<\/em> low. very low.","dateCreated":"1296260184","smartDate":"Jan 28, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jaigurudev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jaigurudev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296002087\/jaigurudev-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33374094","body":"a code formed by the letters C, H, I, C, K, E, N that refers to a feathered bird which hommo sapiens consider one of the main source of their muscle-building protein","dateCreated":"1296329245","smartDate":"Jan 29, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Aveandrea","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Aveandrea","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33381860","body":"who came first the chicken or the egg? -.- hate this question and its the first thing i remember when someone says chicken
\nunless. they refer to it as the meal as such.
\nchicken...hmmm..
\ni like chicken, the feathered bird that seems to be kind of not very in power of their own body and for sure not of their own life.
\n
\ni just remembered i had two chicks when i was a little girl what the hell..
\nalso another some years ago which my sister called trinatrudis. oh my. this is crazy.
\n
\nChicken went to my imagination and memories. apparently.","dateCreated":"1296356876","smartDate":"Jan 29, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"MaluVillalobos","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MaluVillalobos","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33402138","body":"chicken (rusters) are very annoying animals that will wake you up at 4 am when you are at the beach. If you eat chicken that same day it taste delicious, if not, it is still a good thing to eat","dateCreated":"1296434571","smartDate":"Jan 30, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nachoo1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nachoo1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33408200","body":"Were did the chicken go? Or why did it cross the road?","dateCreated":"1296444733","smartDate":"Jan 30, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"david.segura.coto","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/david.segura.coto","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33685394","body":"chikens are weird.","dateCreated":"1296851752","smartDate":"Feb 4, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"mwmw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mwmw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":3}]},{"id":"32682356","dateCreated":"1294984690","smartDate":"Jan 13, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"david.brooker","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/david.brooker","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294758835\/david.brooker-lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/wok-language.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/32682356"},"dateDigested":1532254353,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"What is the role of language in knowing? How does it influence what we know and how we know it?","description":"Since we continuously speak of knowing through-out our ToK careers, let's start here!","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"33135022","body":"response to CAT<\/em>
\n
\nSo, to facilitate better communication, it is best if the speaker and listener share not only the common language but a common level of language?","dateCreated":"1295966697","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"david.brooker","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/david.brooker","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294758835\/david.brooker-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33161460","body":"A greater vocabulary can help communicate better, but i agree with Daniela in that It can be a hindrance. For example the one, all encompassing word of "society". it helps communicate, in the abstract, a very large concept, which is incredible in one word. However, this small word can be a limitation, a cage to trap what society really is(whatever that may be). Categories are essential in language, but limit in many ways.","dateCreated":"1295987831","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"JonathanPDB","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/JonathanPDB","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33164850","body":"I think that having a broader vocabulary enables you to express yourself and your thoughts more accurately. I dont think that it is in any way a hindrance. I dont think vocabulary limits languages, what limits language is the lack of vocabulary. I do agree however that to be able to use ones extensive vocabulary it is necessary to be communicating on the same level of language. For exmaple if you are describing a food, the way it tastes and what you thought about it, is it not better to say that the food was exquisite rather than the food was very good?","dateCreated":"1295991163","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"coralilyy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/coralilyy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1295986351\/coralilyy-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33172206","body":"i believe it is a hinderance on its own, when a word stands alone it encloses an entire concept thus narrowing our perception of that one thing, when i say door, u are likley to picture a piece of rectangular wood that is used to open and close and seperate two places and also be that connection between two spaces, however what about the rest of a door? its essence? poetry for example has that amazing ability to combine words and thus capture the raw essence of them almost? but they are combined, and theres something beneath that, yet what about when ur a child, and people dont name some of the things you see, i believe you stop seeing them, like imaginary friends, noone else points them out or labels them, thus we stop seeing them because in our language they dont exist and thus in our world they dont? or do they? i compleatly agree with jonny, although iam having an aweful time expressing it, and see, this is when words kick butt, you know those times when u read something and the reason you become so moved by it is because its something of ur own belief that has been put in exactly the right words? its been put out there, and made vulenerable. and thats beautiful. yet its a risk. a risk of losing ones security. question i guess is , is the risk worth it?","dateCreated":"1295998907","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jaigurudev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jaigurudev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296002087\/jaigurudev-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33172466","body":"@ cora<\/em> i believe it isnt nessasary for one to have an extense vocabulary. simplicity i believe is key, the more simple and less elaborate the words one uses the more accessible they are to other people, and also the more authentic they are. what makes them exciting, like in the case of food saying exquisit rather than good would be better off saying a combination of simple words like good, to form something that expresses exquisit in all its glory such as : it tasted as though a rainbow bit my tongue and injected a flavor that made my insides go nuts. or an even better example would be roy. roy in the god of small things, because she saw things from a childs perspective used a very simple vocabulary, not too broad and got to the point of things quickly, yet made us as readers feel what she meant by the combinations of those words.","dateCreated":"1295999200","smartDate":"Jan 25, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"jaigurudev","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jaigurudev","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1296002087\/jaigurudev-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33233396","body":"@cora
\nthere is a really cool movement in the German-speaking regions, that is against the use\/abuse of a word that now everybody seems to use, if regarding food. it would be the equivalent of Yummy. nowadays even a cup of tea is 'yummy'.","dateCreated":"1296086942","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"emilyperle","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/emilyperle","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33245600","body":"Most of what we know is transmitted through a sort of language. So, it's role is to develop facts into knowdlege, to analyze it and all that and then to communicate it to others.","dateCreated":"1296100388","smartDate":"Jan 26, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"mwmw","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mwmw","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33268852","body":"Language can have a huge influence over our knowledge..for example: when a teacher gives a lecture about a certain topic which wasn't in our knowledge....that lecture is imputed into our knowledge. Although, there are limitations....like if we pay attention or not or things that can't be expressed through language. That's why I believe that not all or only a certain amount of a knowledge can be expressed through language.","dateCreated":"1296147505","smartDate":"Jan 27, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Nishesh1412","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Nishesh1412","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33374000","body":"I disagree with all of you saying that the more extense your vocabulary is, the better you can communicate. But, I also disagree with people saying that the simpler the better. It\u00b4s not about the complexity of simplicity if the language being used, it\u00b4s about explaining thourouly the connotation of the key-words to the person that youre trying to communicate with. Communication tends to be a tedious task, because we are (as a species) egocentric enough to believe that our connotation of a word is universaly accepted.","dateCreated":"1296328925","smartDate":"Jan 29, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"Aveandrea","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Aveandrea","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33381562","body":"response to jai<\/em>
\n
\nI'm going to try to shift the converstation.
\nJai's last comments mention children and the naming of things. The point raised is interesting - if we do not name things, do they no longer exist in our understanding? Think 1984 and NewSpeak - where the job of the department was to reduce language to just the bare essentials - if there is no word for an idea - the idea cannot be contemplated...
\n
\nThoughts?...","dateCreated":"1296355413","smartDate":"Jan 29, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"david.brooker","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/david.brooker","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/pic\/1294758835\/david.brooker-lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33381758","body":"If we dont name things, we just actually live as we should, naturally. discovering through our own abilities what the thing\/object works for o what it actually is. If i live through out my entire life eating a fruit which i do not know how people have name it, does not make the fruit unexistente, or it doesnt mean either that i dont understand what it is, or what it may be used for.
\nand yes it leads me also to think that if i already know that it is a fruit it is because i have been taught already what is required for something to be a fruit.
\nso, thinking about it, even makes me realize that we have named absolutely everything in life and it makes me conclude that i\u00b4ve changed my point of view. we cant understand what something is unless we keep on with our patterns. sadly. without names, things are just things. some alike, some completely different.
\n
\nim sorry if this is confusing. i just wrote as I thought =S","dateCreated":"1296356440","smartDate":"Jan 29, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"MaluVillalobos","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/MaluVillalobos","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}},{"id":"33402332","body":"language is a catalyst to learning, the less we communicate the less we learn because we are not sharing what we know. Without language we would not know as much a we do now, becuase it would take us years to discover something again. and if we dont share it, it will be lost.","dateCreated":"1296434810","smartDate":"Jan 30, 2011","userCreated":{"username":"nachoo1","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/nachoo1","imageUrl":"https:\/\/ssl.wikicdn.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":4}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}